BUG: extra nu term in kEpsilonPhitF's normalised wall-normal fluctuating velocity scale
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- Kutalmış Berçin changed due date to January 31, 2020
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- Author Maintainer
Though, ironically, this may also explain why we have obtained verification results better than those in the original paper for the same cases. Curious.
- Author Maintainer
As suspected, including
nu
term thereat:- provides higher resemblance particularly for the peak skin friction predictions in comparison to the benchmark datasets for the considered test cases,
- does not alter any pressure-related predictions (e.g. pressure coef).
The implementation of
kEpsilonPhitF
model was thoroughly verified by means of the following canonical flows: the smooth-wall plane channel flows (Reτ = 180,395,590, 800,5186; Re = 80 × 10^6, zero-pressure gradient turbulent flat plate, two-dimensional backward-facing step, two dimensional hill in a channel, and a DriverAer case.Considering above, I will only provide an optional boolean to incorporate
nu
in Eq. 17 of the reference paper, with the default behaviour including thenu
term.Edited by Kutalmış Berçin If I understand correctly, by default the nu term is included in Eq. 17? Yet if this term is included there, the equation for
F(18) needs to be adjusted accordingly otherwise the transformation given in (16) is not done properly and therefore the boundary conditionF(at wall)=0 does not work anymore. With air flows the impact is maybe not that big but considering a fluid with higher molecular viscosity can cause stability issues.- Author Maintainer
To ensure backward-compatibility, we left the
nu
term included thereat by making it optional. Users can now turn it off or on as desired. As mentioned before, excludingnu
leads to higher level of resemblance to the canonical benchmarks we have considered. I don't disagree with you regarding your remarks: you are right from the theoretical consistency. Yet practical perspective suggests otherwise, and we left the decision to the users by making the term optional. - Author Maintainer
If you disagree, please let me know. So that we can give a second thought on leaving
nu
included by default. You probably mean, that by including
nuthe resemblance to the canonical benchmarks is better. Sure you are right the user can decide yet to be honest by default it would make sense to implement the model correctly. The idea of theftransformation was to improve the stability, if you have already a working simulation case set you could try switching the fluid to water or oil (there I would expect problems due to the increased viscosity) and see if the stability is still the same.- Author Maintainer
I completely agree with your line of reasoning. The only reason was to ensure backward-compatibility since the version including
nu
was released. I will update you after some internal discussion. Thank you. - Please register or sign in to reply
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